Cruyff to coach Catalonia side

This idiot can dream that he will coach someday a recognised country named Catalonia but this will never happen , their dreams were to play and work in Spain's Liga but beside they wish an independant Catalonia what a band of jokes and ignorants such clowns like Cruyff and Laporta !

Many Catalan want freedom for Catalonia, and many Spaniard against this idea. I beleive, Spaniards who are against independence of Catalonia, really really really love Catalan people. That's why they do not want to be separated from their Catalan brothers and sisters at all. Spaniards cannot live without their Catalan citizens.

Holly, I didn’t say you had anything against the people of Catalonia I asked what problem you had with the Catalan people wanting independence from Spain.

Where do you get your figures of 60% against independence from and are you against separation?

Is that 60% of people against Laporta’s actions or 60% against independence, there is a big difference! You see I have been led to believe that a majority of Catalan people do want independence from Spain and recent unofficial polls seem to suggest that! For example, September’s referendum in Areyns de Munt provided results of a 96% vote in favour of independence. I had a quick look at Nationalia and for me basing opinion judged on poll results since 1991 is weak data, a generation has come and gone since 1991 so the only true way to assess opinion is to hold an official referendum but Spanish constitution prohibits it! It does seem that the Catalans are taking matters into their own hands and are holding over a hundred unofficial polls this coming winter so maybe a truer picture will be painted very soon.

You seem to be keeping your cards very close to your chest holly, are you for or against independence?

I’m not asking for you to predict the future holly I’m merely asking your opinion on whether the Catalonian region should become independent and you have now answered that with a no! But surely if the Catalan people want to be independent then is it not right to grant them their wish?

Holly, it is immaterial if there are people of Catalan descent in other areas of Spain it is ultimately the people of the region that should have the right to decide how they are governed. There are people of Spanish and British descent all over the Americas, do they have a right to be included in the decision making processes in the UK and Spain, of course not! They have a right to an opinion on the matter but they have no right to get in the way of the choices and wishes of the inhabitants of the said region or country. The Catalan people are not merely simplistic separatists in the minority, they are a nation of people who given the opportunity would welcome to be just that, a nation! You trust that your government are doing the right thing for Spain but are they doing the right thing for Catalonia? With the Catalan economy responsible for a fifth of Spain’s total G.D.P some would argue that Zapatero is ignoring valid democratic pleas because the economy of Catalonia is so valuable to Spain and I find that point difficult to argue against!

Rest assured holly, I don’t side with either as it is none of my business but I find it hard to understand why you are of this opinion! When a player wants to leave a club for pastures new you are the first person to shout that it is unfair to keep hold of that player and you struggle to understand why any club would want to keep that player anyway. Even though the player situation is at opposite ends of the scale should not the very same basic moral fibre be applied to the independence debate, and if not, is that not double standards?

Or do you want Padania to separate from Italy also ?

Holly, unfortunately all the situations you mention are exactly the same because it is all about choices, the very basics of democracy is to have voice that’s heard and the freedom to choose. If you believe in freedom of choice one cannot pick and choose when this becomes applicable just because the opposing actions may have a negative effect on oneself, you have to accept that that is a choice of another and deal with the loss.

For example, if a man opposes to his wife leaving him and a club opposes to a player leaving the club or even a business owner opposes to an employee leaving his or hers business then as you have suggested, this is wrong. The fundamental reason why this is wrong is because the objections of the husband, club and businessman are based on their fears of the negativities that the separation may bring upon them rather than appreciating why the wife, player or employee wants to leave in the first place. The very same principles apply to the independence issues; it is not an immature method of thinking it is a consistent method of thinking in applying the same morals and principles in observing and respecting others choices. If the Catalan or Corsican people feel that they are more than capable of deciding on how to govern themselves and decide that they do not want to be part of Spain or France respectively then that has to warrant the same respect as a wife’s choice to leave a marriage, anything else is a breach of moral standards.

I find it remarkable that you show immense pride towards the democratic system at your football club but then ignore the democratic pleas of millions of people. This I find immature!

Newty , do you think the rich north of Italy Padania should be separated from the south of Italy if they wish so ? Is this your mature reasoning ?

Chelsea4ever , Kimi is a great driver but if he was kicked by Ferrari then it's Ferrari to blame and not Grupo Santander . They are just a sponsor for Ferrari and if Fernando Alonso was chosen to replace we can't say it's Santander who did , we only can wish good luck for him !

Avi , of course you will find tickets no worries about it o_O

Catch you from home later guys .

Newty, if you say why not giving them independence that means you agree with separatists ?